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  1. Hmmm . . . saw a joke similar to this recently, but don’t remember where. AND also read that it’s Daylight Saving (no ‘s’) Time.

    Does it seem that there are more calls this year to drop all this time changing than there have been in previous years? In FL, DST was to become permanent, but Congress never got around to giving its approval (or DISapproval, either), even tho the state pass legislation to stay on DST.

    Even Europe seems inclined to stop changing times. I remember being in Amsterdam several years ago and it was still light enough to read outside at 11 p.m. Not that I had any reason to do so; just seemed strange to me.

  2. California is voting on allowing us to *considering* going to all DST full time. Apparently it is against federal law to go on Standard Time all year. ????? I *think* I’d prefer staying on standard time all year rather than DST all year but I’d be willing to go to Turkish time if it meant we don’t have to change the effing clocks twice a year.

  3. Should be a state decision, rather than federal, IMO. Aren’t Arizona and Hawaii on Standard Time all year? I know parts of Indiana were and parts went to DST, but that’s been standardized now.

  4. I lived in Japan for a few years. They stay on Standard time all year, no DST. It got light in late June/early July between 2 and 3 in the morning. We had to put black out curtains up but that was still a lot better than messing up sleep patterns and mental rhythm twice a year.

  5. If I remember correctly, DST was decided at the state level until sometime in the 70’s (I suppose I could google this, but I’m too lazy.). Anyway, at the point the Federales declared it for the whole country, the states were given a one time chance to opt-out, which Arizona and Hawai’i took. at this point, all I can add is: “neener-neener-neeener.”

  6. @ Andréa – The EU held an open (Internet) poll earier this year to collect opinions about whether to keep or drop DST. The votes(*) were overwhelmingly in favor of getting rid of it, and the European Comission has already launched a plan to do so, but they are going to leave the “summer/winter” decision up to the member countries, and there doesn’t seem to be any general agreement at the national level. The original plan was that the last switch(es) would be in 2019, but apparently they won’t have the final plan ready until 2020 at the earliest.

  7. P.S. (*) – A very large percentage of the total votes cast were from Germany. I’m not sure whether they bothered to verify the voter’s validity (for example, mine).

  8. Re Kilby’s comment: Germans seem to be particularly opposed to changing the clocks. Maybe it’s because DST was only implemented some time in the 80s. I’m appalled that the main push here seems to be to go to DST year-round, rather than standard time. I’m not looking forward to the sun coming up at 9:00 AM just so the sun can go down a little after 5.

  9. @ CIDU Bill – The joke that Andréa is referring to is probably this one (posted in March). Luckily you tagged it the same way as this one.

  10. Wow, the whining gets worse every year for sure. I fully support Daylight Saving Time in the interests of not having the sun rise at 4am. And I support Standard Time in the interests of not having the sun rise at 9am.

  11. Then the cartoonist can use the same joke twice/year, assuming/hoping his/her audience doesn’t remember it having been done previously.

  12. Without looking it up, my understanding is that States have the power to decide only whether or not to do DST (including some parts do, some parts don’t), but when DST happens is up to the Feds. The States also had the one time power to one time choose which time zone they belong to (so Michigan got to ratify its geographic denial of it not being an eastern State), but after that, they can’t change without the Feds agreeing. So the problem for Florida is that they want to do DST year round — they can’t; if they do DST, they have to start and stop when the Feds tell them. So the solution was that they move one time zone to the east, Atlantic Time, which is the same as having DST all year round. But to do that they need the Feds’ approval. But that at least is feasible, whereas having the Feds grant them an exception about hewing to the DST start/stop time was never going to happen. Seeing that Florida was making waves about moving to Atlantic Time, several New England States, principally Maine, started making noises about joining them, probably mostly to stick it to Michigan.

  13. Getting back to the comic, it’s terrible and doesn’t work as a joke. Henges weren’t clocks, they were calendars.

  14. “The Indiana situation is complicated by controversy ”

    No more so than any other state that is divided by a time zone. As the link you provided states, all of Indiana went to using DST some years back.

  15. @larK: eh, not even then, though it’s closer. Henges mark the points on the horizon for sunrise and/or sunset for equinoxes and solstices. That never changes.

  16. “Getting back to the comic, it’s terrible and doesn’t work as a joke. Henges weren’t clocks, they were calendars.”

    I think it works fine as a joke and the allowed license. It’s just not original. Internet memes of that have been around for decades.

    … Okay, reread California’s Prop 7…. Currently we can only change DST by a voter initiative. This will allow a change by legislature if it is passed by 2/3 majority (not that anyone is proposing any such legislature) and if in obeys federal law. Federal doesn’t allow adopting year round DST but for some reason this Proposition is written as though that will be an option. I seem to be in the minority in that I’d like stanard time all year but DST all year is okay too. But… I am confused about the proposal. Legislature *still* wouldn’t be able to go on DST year because it violates Federal law and there’s noting about changing our time-zone to Alaska???? time. Also, not wishing to engage in California chauvinism… but you can’t have a “Pacific” times zone and not have California in it.

  17. “Henges mark the points on the horizon for sunrise and/or sunset for equinoxes and solstices. That never changes.”

    That’s the joke!!!

  18. People at the Eastern end of timezones (like in Boston) want to have DST all year round. People at the western end would be OK with standard time all year round. Puzzle for you: Why is this?

  19. I live on the extreme eastern edge of the Central Time Zone. Since we switched to Standard Time last weekend, it’s dark around 5 pm. By the time the winter solstice gets here just before Christmas, it will be dark a little after 4. So yeah, I’d be happy with year-round DST. Though I don’t mind the change as far as internal clock goes. Doesn’t affect my body much, and my stove and microwave are easy to reset.

  20. Changing the clocks is the least of the problems. If one takes medication one will either run short an hour or take it an hour sooner (depending on which way the change is going). Even something as simple as Robert is taking Tylenol (per doctor) to deal with his arm pain. He has a schedule worked out for when it to take it for it to hurt the least – well, he got thrown off schedule as he woke up an hour later than usual. Also he had a blood glucose low when he woke up as it was an hour later when we woke up, etc. and he needed to eat an hour earlier than he was going to. Other peoples medications and such are even more critical to time than his is.

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