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From Andréa, here is a matched pair of geezer-warning Oys!
Was that a good word-play or more simply a LOL?
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I had to read the second geezer comic to understand the first. My mirror-reading skills aren’t that great.
Until I went directly to Wikipedia, trying to Google Aesop led to skin care stores, or checkin and absence management for online schooling. Or something like that. But the original, if possibly not real, guy was this:
“Aesop (/ˈiːsɒp/ EE-sop or /ˈeɪsɒp/ AY-sop; Greek: Αἴσωπος, Aísopos; c. 620–564 BCE) was a Greek fabulist and storyteller credited with a number of fables now collectively known as Aesop’s Fables. Although his existence remains unclear and no writings by him survive, numerous tales credited to him were gathered across the centuries and in many languages in a storytelling tradition that continues to this day. Many of the tales are characterized by animals and inanimate objects that speak, solve problems, and generally have human characteristics.“
Since I generally use the first pronunciation from above, and for that matter rarely say ASAP as a word but usually just spell out the letters (or the underlying phrase in full), the Speed Bump pun involving them was a bit obscure for me. But I enjoyed seeing that the facial hair styles open to these monks apparently were “bearded” and “shaved but poorly”.
Carl Fink, I’m with you on not immediately seeing the name in the first of the geezer ref pair. It may depend on one’s pronunciation of Tapas.
And for the second one, I can only guess why Omega was chosen – because it’s the last letter in the Greek alphabet (just as Z is in the English abc’s). I thought first it would be from some resemblance of the glyphs, but that doesn’t seem to work.
Wayno’s comment on ‘Omega Omega Top’: We like to run our favorite gag on Friday, and that turned out to be a lucky coincidence this week. Friday, June 11 was the 72nd birthday of ZZ Top drummer Frank Beard (the band member who doesn’t have a beard). Sometimes the universe smiles upon a cartoonist. We wish Mr. Beard a happy birthday, and hope he may have seen this comic and smiled.
At first, I thought the socks in the last panel were cigarette butts, and my reaction was sheer puzzlement. But then I figured it out. And the lawyer one made me laugh.
I guess “Zeta Zeta Top” was considered too obvious?
And I assume that the full name of Rachel Katler’s hoc/hawk “Stu” is actually “Studebaker.”
Why is the last hawk not a proper hawk? (I’m assuming some obscure ornithological humor here, eg: clearly by the shape of the beak this is a corvid, so it follows that…) Does the fact that the comic is apparently called Ad Hoc not come into play?
larK, I think the hawk at the bottom (Stu — btw, I miss padraig’s joke) is far from proper, in the area of behavior. He’s making a nasty and messy meal. Otoh, the hawk on the top is very contained and calm, and is even dressed up in collar and tie.
Alpha to Omega. A to Z. Seemed obvious to me. Zeta Zeta Tops wouldn’t be funny. (so what if the greek alphabet has different letters; thats just transliteration) but Omega Omega Tops is (that’s a surreal transfunctionality).
Doesn’t the footnote noting the cartoonist replaced “propter” with “proper”, presumably to make the joke work, just shoot the pun in the foot?
Woozy, I felt disappointed about that footnote too
I saw 3 chicks yesterday. But they were turkey chicks, wandering about with 2 adult turkeys. Pretty sure a hawk would do what I did, and stay out of their way.
Ah, thanks Mitch! My idea of what is “proper” for a hawk is to eat squirrels, the messier the better! We used to have a problem with squirrels climbing up our building and eating stuff off the patios and nesting there and otherwise being a nuisance. But then the hawk population in our area took off, and the squirrel problem disappeared. One of our neighbors shared a picture he took of a hawk eating a squirrel — it looked more or less like the one depicted above: very proper for a hawk!
Would an ad hawk be another term for Mad Men? And would this be a proper vocation for a hawk?
Oooh, they’re socks! Thank you, that’s much better than what I was thinking.
To put it as tactfully as I know how, let’s just say I thought the puncture was from an IUD.
Mitch4, you missed the monocle. This is a very proper hawk.
I don’t understand the hawk comic. I do appreciate padraig’s Hawk pun, however (though it did take a few seconds for it to register). A Hawk is a sporty model of Studebaker automobile.
Thanks, Grawlix (and padraig in back) for clarifying the Studebaker allusion!
The comic comes from a series at DailyNous, a newsletter type site for developments in academic Philosophy. So the features like comics are aimed at that audience. (Such as the Ship of Theseus one we had a while ago.) In the area of informal logic, some patterns of argument get identified by the phrasing they would use in Latin, and in particular some invalid patterns or “fallacies” were known that way. “That’s just an argumentum ad hominem!” Here the one the comic is responding to was “post hoc ergo propter hoc” . (Almost equivalent to modern reminders that “correlation does not prove causation”) And the element of joke or pun comes in with showing a hawk for hoc and physical posts for relational post, and some sense of social propriety for propter.
I expect you already saw some or most of that, but there is the flat footed exegesis so we can be clear if someone wants to say “I get all that but just wasn’t amused” that they did have a chance to look at it with all the details filled in.
“I expect you already saw some or most of that, but there is the flat footed exegesis so we can be clear if someone wants to say “I get all that but just wasn’t amused” that they did have a chance to look at it with all the details filled in.”
I wouldn’t go that far. It’s a pun and requires some familiarity with the phrase “post hoc ergo propter hoc” and and that “hoc” sounds like “hawk” (note obvious seeing it as written doesn’t mean one would notice the sound). Also the panel exposition of pictures, a phrase by an unseen narrator, a second panel of another picture and an exposition by you another unseen narrator; that it might be unclear how to interpret it.
But once it’s spelled out I think it should be clear there’s a bit of silly humor in it.
…..
“I do appreciate padraig’s Hawk pun, however (though it did take a few seconds for it to register). A Hawk is a sporty model of Studebaker automobile.”
It was? I only knew it as a character from Frank Zappa’s “Billy the Mountain” (he was sooooo mysterious.)
woozy: Yes, Studebaker Hawk in “Billy the Mountain” was named after a car. So was Ford Prefect in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”.
” Yes, Studebaker Hawk in “Billy the Mountain” was named after a car. So was Ford Prefect in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”.”
Don’t be absurd! Ford Prefect wasn’t named after the Studebaker Hawk!
Well, now you got me thinking…. There used to be a Hudson Motor Co. (yeah, I know, geezers everywhere.). So was Hudson Hawk a play on the Studebaker?
Because the Hudson Motor Co. was the precursor of AMC, manufactured in Kenosha, WI, a city I lived in for almost 60 years and the company for which my dad worked, it’s not a geezer alert for me!
Hudson Hawk – the movie? I can’t find a reference to a car with that name.
Well, Stu “da baker” Hawk doesn’t have the nice alliteration, so they went with Hudson Hawk. Oh, forget It…
I’d forgotten that a crowd of crows is a murder, so the last one puzzled me for a bit. Nice. Anyone else have that problem?
Happily, I did catch the reference to “murder of crows” and agree that’s essential to the joke.
Also a nice touch is that the defense attorney is counted as successful, but for getting a reduced charge, not securing an acquittal.
Yes, the final comic features athletic socks. A method of repairing puncture holes in fabric is called “darning,” which refers to a particular stitch technique.
There was a strip, I think “Hi and Lois” where he has a sock with a hole and wants her to darn it. She says, “Darn” and chunks it in the trash.
“There was a strip, I think “Hi and Lois” where he has a sock with a hole and wants her to darn it. She says, “Darn” and chunks it in the trash.”
That was a Gordo strip from way way back. Gordo comes to Tehuana Mama’s more contemporary niece who is taking her place while TM is out for some reason and ask the niece to darn the sock and she scolds the sock wagging her finger saying “Darn you, sock. Darn, Darn!”
…. wasn’t Tehuana Mama’s niece. Was that rich texan nouveau riche blonde pony tailed girl who had a thing for Gordo’s nephew who once took ownership of Gordo’s house [to keep it away from Pushy Galore as Hub Caen would say…] (although why Gordo thought she would be willing to or responsible for darning his socks I don’t remember….) (Anyone else remember this….?)… (or maybe it was Tehuana Mama’s niece home from college or something.)
“Don’t be absurd! Ford Prefect wasn’t named after the Studebaker Hawk!”
Yes he was. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy appeared in 1978, a full 21 years after the introduction of the Studebaker Hawk.
That’s not a strip I know. I suspect the same joke occurred to multiple cartoonist.
Darning is basically weaving to fill in the hole. It was so important that there are still extant darning samplers from young girls learning to properly darn. (In suit jackets it called reweaving and I am sure it costs a lot due to the change in name.) One stitches around the hole to reinforce the threads around it and stop them from from coming loose. One then sews “warp” threads across the hole in one direction. One will then weave the “weft” threads through the warp threads to fill in the hole. (I remember which is which is as “warp” goes straight ahead at warp speed. Weft is also sometimes called woof – as it is in a song in the play/movie “Carousel”.) Robert does weaving on his rigid heddle looms (which are modern design looms) and also on a reproduction of a 18th century tape or box loom which makes long relatively thin pieces of fabric used as tapes for clothing ties. Remember Disney’s Snow White had ties across the front of her dress – like that, they were also used as apron ties, petticoat (skirt) ties and ties around the neck hole of a ladies shift (a sort of A-line like white or natural dress which was her main undergarment under her stays – no “bifurcated” garment under same. Shift would also serve as night gown, either the same one worn during the days or separate ones if wealthy.
In the 18th century men and women working stockings which came thigh high (more similar to socks today in fabric than modern stockings). So, of course as reenactors one wears the same. Husband had a pair of heavy weight woolen stockings which he managed to put a hole in its foot. Of course like everything else similar I was asked “can you fix these?” Well, I knew the basic idea, but like most to almost all (USA) people these days I had never darned in my life. I checked online and darned the hole in his sock for him.
We both have trouble finding socks we like for everyday wear and the socks do get holes after awhile. In particular it upset me to toss out socks which had holes less than 1/4 inch in diameter. So I started darning our modern socks also. They tended to take a long time as I am using regular thread as mine are made of cotton and the cotton yarns are too thick. They were taking too much time with regular thread and I tended to only fix the smallest of the holes. Then I looked it up again online and one person said the magic thing – she uses embroidery floss!! What a great idea – it does make it go much quicker. I also took some black floss and sat it in water to make sure the dye would not run and have been using same for Robert’s socks.
My mother had a darning egg, which makes darning socks much easier. But her darned patches were quite a bit thicker than the surrounding sock so it was kind of like a scab had formed to cover the hole. Suit reweaving is claimed to be “invisible” so that could account for the higher price.
Mark in Boston – the egg lets one keep the right tension while darning so the stitching does not pull in. Robert is not happy with the thicker sections either – when I use the embroidery floss is even thicker as it is 6 strands and each is thicker than the sewing thread. I find I only feel the spots when I first put the socks on each time then I no longer do.
@ Andréa – In his book “An Exaltation of Larks“, James Liption cites “colony” and “parade” (the latter being a reader’s submission), but I like “waddle” much better, especially because of this “Bloom County” comic:
I thought for a second that Andrea was posting again, but I see that her comment was from last July.
Brian, the question your comment raises for me was, what awakened that post to Brian’s attention, if it was not a new comment from Andrea? The answer seems to be, a new comment from Kilby. Now I can’t figure, how did Brian’s new comment in this thread awaken it for me, but Kilby’s apparently overnight yesterday did not? Time zone effects possibly?
Yes, for me it was Kilby’s. Since it had “@Andrea” in it, I went up one to see what she had posted, but it was old.
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I had to read the second geezer comic to understand the first. My mirror-reading skills aren’t that great.
Until I went directly to Wikipedia, trying to Google Aesop led to skin care stores, or checkin and absence management for online schooling. Or something like that. But the original, if possibly not real, guy was this:
“Aesop (/ˈiːsɒp/ EE-sop or /ˈeɪsɒp/ AY-sop; Greek: Αἴσωπος, Aísopos; c. 620–564 BCE) was a Greek fabulist and storyteller credited with a number of fables now collectively known as Aesop’s Fables. Although his existence remains unclear and no writings by him survive, numerous tales credited to him were gathered across the centuries and in many languages in a storytelling tradition that continues to this day. Many of the tales are characterized by animals and inanimate objects that speak, solve problems, and generally have human characteristics.“
Since I generally use the first pronunciation from above, and for that matter rarely say ASAP as a word but usually just spell out the letters (or the underlying phrase in full), the Speed Bump pun involving them was a bit obscure for me. But I enjoyed seeing that the facial hair styles open to these monks apparently were “bearded” and “shaved but poorly”.
Carl Fink, I’m with you on not immediately seeing the name in the first of the geezer ref pair. It may depend on one’s pronunciation of Tapas.
And for the second one, I can only guess why Omega was chosen – because it’s the last letter in the Greek alphabet (just as Z is in the English abc’s). I thought first it would be from some resemblance of the glyphs, but that doesn’t seem to work.
Wayno’s comment on ‘Omega Omega Top’: We like to run our favorite gag on Friday, and that turned out to be a lucky coincidence this week. Friday, June 11 was the 72nd birthday of ZZ Top drummer Frank Beard (the band member who doesn’t have a beard). Sometimes the universe smiles upon a cartoonist. We wish Mr. Beard a happy birthday, and hope he may have seen this comic and smiled.
At first, I thought the socks in the last panel were cigarette butts, and my reaction was sheer puzzlement. But then I figured it out. And the lawyer one made me laugh.
I guess “Zeta Zeta Top” was considered too obvious?
And I assume that the full name of Rachel Katler’s hoc/hawk “Stu” is actually “Studebaker.”
Why is the last hawk not a proper hawk? (I’m assuming some obscure ornithological humor here, eg: clearly by the shape of the beak this is a corvid, so it follows that…) Does the fact that the comic is apparently called Ad Hoc not come into play?
larK, I think the hawk at the bottom (Stu — btw, I miss padraig’s joke) is far from proper, in the area of behavior. He’s making a nasty and messy meal. Otoh, the hawk on the top is very contained and calm, and is even dressed up in collar and tie.
Alpha to Omega. A to Z. Seemed obvious to me. Zeta Zeta Tops wouldn’t be funny. (so what if the greek alphabet has different letters; thats just transliteration) but Omega Omega Tops is (that’s a surreal transfunctionality).
Doesn’t the footnote noting the cartoonist replaced “propter” with “proper”, presumably to make the joke work, just shoot the pun in the foot?
Woozy, I felt disappointed about that footnote too
A proper hawk
That’s a chicken hawk and….
I saw 3 chicks yesterday. But they were turkey chicks, wandering about with 2 adult turkeys. Pretty sure a hawk would do what I did, and stay out of their way.
Ah, thanks Mitch! My idea of what is “proper” for a hawk is to eat squirrels, the messier the better! We used to have a problem with squirrels climbing up our building and eating stuff off the patios and nesting there and otherwise being a nuisance. But then the hawk population in our area took off, and the squirrel problem disappeared. One of our neighbors shared a picture he took of a hawk eating a squirrel — it looked more or less like the one depicted above: very proper for a hawk!
Would an ad hawk be another term for Mad Men? And would this be a proper vocation for a hawk?
Oooh, they’re socks! Thank you, that’s much better than what I was thinking.
To put it as tactfully as I know how, let’s just say I thought the puncture was from an IUD.
Mitch4, you missed the monocle. This is a very proper hawk.
I don’t understand the hawk comic. I do appreciate padraig’s Hawk pun, however (though it did take a few seconds for it to register). A Hawk is a sporty model of Studebaker automobile.
Thanks, Grawlix (and padraig in back) for clarifying the Studebaker allusion!
The comic comes from a series at DailyNous, a newsletter type site for developments in academic Philosophy. So the features like comics are aimed at that audience. (Such as the Ship of Theseus one we had a while ago.) In the area of informal logic, some patterns of argument get identified by the phrasing they would use in Latin, and in particular some invalid patterns or “fallacies” were known that way. “That’s just an argumentum ad hominem!” Here the one the comic is responding to was “post hoc ergo propter hoc” . (Almost equivalent to modern reminders that “correlation does not prove causation”) And the element of joke or pun comes in with showing a hawk for hoc and physical posts for relational post, and some sense of social propriety for propter.
I expect you already saw some or most of that, but there is the flat footed exegesis so we can be clear if someone wants to say “I get all that but just wasn’t amused” that they did have a chance to look at it with all the details filled in.
“I expect you already saw some or most of that, but there is the flat footed exegesis so we can be clear if someone wants to say “I get all that but just wasn’t amused” that they did have a chance to look at it with all the details filled in.”
I wouldn’t go that far. It’s a pun and requires some familiarity with the phrase “post hoc ergo propter hoc” and and that “hoc” sounds like “hawk” (note obvious seeing it as written doesn’t mean one would notice the sound). Also the panel exposition of pictures, a phrase by an unseen narrator, a second panel of another picture and an exposition by you another unseen narrator; that it might be unclear how to interpret it.
But once it’s spelled out I think it should be clear there’s a bit of silly humor in it.
…..
“I do appreciate padraig’s Hawk pun, however (though it did take a few seconds for it to register). A Hawk is a sporty model of Studebaker automobile.”
It was? I only knew it as a character from Frank Zappa’s “Billy the Mountain” (he was sooooo mysterious.)
woozy: Yes, Studebaker Hawk in “Billy the Mountain” was named after a car. So was Ford Prefect in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”.
” Yes, Studebaker Hawk in “Billy the Mountain” was named after a car. So was Ford Prefect in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”.”
Don’t be absurd! Ford Prefect wasn’t named after the Studebaker Hawk!
Well, now you got me thinking…. There used to be a Hudson Motor Co. (yeah, I know, geezers everywhere.). So was Hudson Hawk a play on the Studebaker?
Because the Hudson Motor Co. was the precursor of AMC, manufactured in Kenosha, WI, a city I lived in for almost 60 years and the company for which my dad worked, it’s not a geezer alert for me!
Hudson Hawk – the movie? I can’t find a reference to a car with that name.
Well, Stu “da baker” Hawk doesn’t have the nice alliteration, so they went with Hudson Hawk. Oh, forget It…
I’d forgotten that a crowd of crows is a murder, so the last one puzzled me for a bit. Nice. Anyone else have that problem?
Happily, I did catch the reference to “murder of crows” and agree that’s essential to the joke.
Also a nice touch is that the defense attorney is counted as successful, but for getting a reduced charge, not securing an acquittal.
Yes, the final comic features athletic socks. A method of repairing puncture holes in fabric is called “darning,” which refers to a particular stitch technique.
There was a strip, I think “Hi and Lois” where he has a sock with a hole and wants her to darn it. She says, “Darn” and chunks it in the trash.
“There was a strip, I think “Hi and Lois” where he has a sock with a hole and wants her to darn it. She says, “Darn” and chunks it in the trash.”
That was a Gordo strip from way way back. Gordo comes to Tehuana Mama’s more contemporary niece who is taking her place while TM is out for some reason and ask the niece to darn the sock and she scolds the sock wagging her finger saying “Darn you, sock. Darn, Darn!”
…. wasn’t Tehuana Mama’s niece. Was that rich texan nouveau riche blonde pony tailed girl who had a thing for Gordo’s nephew who once took ownership of Gordo’s house [to keep it away from Pushy Galore as Hub Caen would say…] (although why Gordo thought she would be willing to or responsible for darning his socks I don’t remember….) (Anyone else remember this….?)… (or maybe it was Tehuana Mama’s niece home from college or something.)
“Don’t be absurd! Ford Prefect wasn’t named after the Studebaker Hawk!”
Yes he was. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy appeared in 1978, a full 21 years after the introduction of the Studebaker Hawk.
That’s not a strip I know. I suspect the same joke occurred to multiple cartoonist.
Darning is basically weaving to fill in the hole. It was so important that there are still extant darning samplers from young girls learning to properly darn. (In suit jackets it called reweaving and I am sure it costs a lot due to the change in name.) One stitches around the hole to reinforce the threads around it and stop them from from coming loose. One then sews “warp” threads across the hole in one direction. One will then weave the “weft” threads through the warp threads to fill in the hole. (I remember which is which is as “warp” goes straight ahead at warp speed. Weft is also sometimes called woof – as it is in a song in the play/movie “Carousel”.) Robert does weaving on his rigid heddle looms (which are modern design looms) and also on a reproduction of a 18th century tape or box loom which makes long relatively thin pieces of fabric used as tapes for clothing ties. Remember Disney’s Snow White had ties across the front of her dress – like that, they were also used as apron ties, petticoat (skirt) ties and ties around the neck hole of a ladies shift (a sort of A-line like white or natural dress which was her main undergarment under her stays – no “bifurcated” garment under same. Shift would also serve as night gown, either the same one worn during the days or separate ones if wealthy.
In the 18th century men and women working stockings which came thigh high (more similar to socks today in fabric than modern stockings). So, of course as reenactors one wears the same. Husband had a pair of heavy weight woolen stockings which he managed to put a hole in its foot. Of course like everything else similar I was asked “can you fix these?” Well, I knew the basic idea, but like most to almost all (USA) people these days I had never darned in my life. I checked online and darned the hole in his sock for him.
We both have trouble finding socks we like for everyday wear and the socks do get holes after awhile. In particular it upset me to toss out socks which had holes less than 1/4 inch in diameter. So I started darning our modern socks also. They tended to take a long time as I am using regular thread as mine are made of cotton and the cotton yarns are too thick. They were taking too much time with regular thread and I tended to only fix the smallest of the holes. Then I looked it up again online and one person said the magic thing – she uses embroidery floss!! What a great idea – it does make it go much quicker. I also took some black floss and sat it in water to make sure the dye would not run and have been using same for Robert’s socks.
My mother had a darning egg, which makes darning socks much easier. But her darned patches were quite a bit thicker than the surrounding sock so it was kind of like a scab had formed to cover the hole. Suit reweaving is claimed to be “invisible” so that could account for the higher price.
Mark in Boston – the egg lets one keep the right tension while darning so the stitching does not pull in. Robert is not happy with the thicker sections either – when I use the embroidery floss is even thicker as it is 6 strands and each is thicker than the sewing thread. I find I only feel the spots when I first put the socks on each time then I no longer do.
Speaking of groups of things . . .
http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/210706.html
@ Andréa – In his book “An Exaltation of Larks“, James Liption cites “colony” and “parade” (the latter being a reader’s submission), but I like “waddle” much better, especially because of this “Bloom County” comic:
I thought for a second that Andrea was posting again, but I see that her comment was from last July.
Brian, the question your comment raises for me was, what awakened that post to Brian’s attention, if it was not a new comment from Andrea? The answer seems to be, a new comment from Kilby. Now I can’t figure, how did Brian’s new comment in this thread awaken it for me, but Kilby’s apparently overnight yesterday did not? Time zone effects possibly?
Yes, for me it was Kilby’s. Since it had “@Andrea” in it, I went up one to see what she had posted, but it was old.