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  1. “Tiffany, your dad would never tell you this, but he’s having money issues. You need to cut your spending” January 16. It’s Ann’s business because there’s no money to spend.

  2. I agree. I don’t think it’s her dad’s f**kbuddy’s place to tell her what to spend. That is what the cartoonist meant when he said they “hooked up”, right? I wonder if he is aware of the way usage of that term has shifted.

  3. The best thing about CIDU is that it gives me periodic glimpses of comics that I don’t normally read, occasionally providing excellent suggestions for items to add to my daily list, OR (in this case) reminding me exactly why I don’t follow “Luanne”, and saving me the effort of having to check whether there’s anything worthwhile to see there.

  4. @ Brian in STL: I read that who series of comics you linked to and noticed two things:

    1: Ann Eiffel is a stone-cold fox

    2. The cartoonist really doesn’t know how jobs work. I can’t see a large chain bookstore (remember those?) hiring a guy in a wheelchair to be head stocker. I’m all for opportunity, but you don’t hire someone for a job they can’t do and which cannot reasonably be adjusted to accommodate their limitations. When a job involves heavy lifting of boxes, stacking and reaching all levels of the shelving in both the front and back of the store, he couldn’t perform. I could see him having a corporate job with the company, such as buyer or regional manager or accounts clerk, but not a stocker. Just like you couldn’t hire a paraplegic as a firefighter. Dispatcher, yes, firefighter no.

  5. “Still not the father’s girlfriend’s place to IMPOSE limits on her spending, which is what she did.”

    … which is none of your business. And also none of mine, so I guess I’m done here.

  6. Eiffel IS a stone-cold fox. Sure, Dad may have money problems, but given Eiffel’s history in this comic, I think readers are likely to conclude Ann’s simply running one more scam. That’s my expectation too. If Evans proves me wrong, I’ll utter a profanity. Then I might congratulate him.

  7. I still think he’s a coward, or just hasn’t any b*lls to do this herself. I speak as a stepmother . . . I would NEVER have done this . . . nor would Hubby have asked me to do so, neither before we were married, nor afterwards. I discussion with the three of us, yes; a dictator-ish command from ‘the other’, no. YMMV . . .

  8. For Tiffany’s father to deal directly with his daughter, the cartoonist would have to come up with artwork for a new character (pretty sure we’ve never *seen* her father). So having the girlfriend do it makes perfect sense, artistically.

  9. B.A. “Stone-cold FOX” isn’t the phrase that comes to mind for me either. But “stone cold” does

  10. Precisely, Mike!

    DNH, are you sure we haven’t seen Tiffany’s father before? I thought at the very least we’d seen him with Ann.

    Hmm… Has anybody thought that Ann might be responsible for Tiffany’s father’s “financial reverses”?

  11. There is more backstory between Tiffany and Ann. Ann was selling bootleg lingerie as real at market price via parties to Luann and the gang a few plots back. Tiffany called her out and got her to stop and return at least some of the money. Ann is turning the screws back at her.

    As for Tiffany’s dad, Tom, I think he has only been seen with his back to the 4th wall. I recall a restaurant scene where Ann and Tom were telling Tiffany of their relationship shortly after the lingerie story.

  12. Are there any readers who would miss either Ann or Les if they fell into a pit and were never seen in the strip again?

  13. “James, yours is a Comment I Don’t Understand.”

    Respectfully, I didn’t think it was complicated.

    The relationship between parent, child, and significant other is complex, but how they arrange their affairs (giggle) is their business. If Tiff’s dad wants his squeeze to keep his daughter in line, that’s up to him… not outsiders. So criticizing the squeeze for doing so, because it’s none of HER business, is… cue Alanis… ironic.

    But, it’s not my job to police the privacy of these fictional characters, so my criticizing Bill for criticizing the fictional characters is next order ironic.

  14. John Kowalkowski is correct — Tif’s father has been shown only from the back (no view of face), and even that much in only a very few relatively recent panels.

    B.A.: I’d be hard pressed to think of *any* LUANN characters I’d miss if they fell into a pit and were never seen again. I might even be willing to push them. (I guess the closest thing to LUANN characters whom I “like” are Knute and Crystal, to whom I’m indifferent — and as it happens, they almost never show up in the strip any more.)

  15. ” I’d be hard pressed to think of *any* LUANN characters I’d miss if they fell into a pit and were never seen again.”

    In terms of becoming an ongoing strip with characters we are supposed to care about and care about their development the only strip I can think of less compelling than Luann is Sally Forth. And yet…

  16. Shrug, the premise oc my comment was that I follow the strip and therefore don’t hate all the characters.

    I’d hardly bother to single out two Funky Winkerbean characters I’d like to drop in a bucket of Dip.

  17. Downpuppy, of course you’re right. I overlooked that conversation. Still, I think Eiffel’s up to something.

  18. @B.A. I follow the strip too, and have for at least thirty years, which has not prevented me from hating all of the characters. I’ll admit that I might not follow it if my local deadtree didn’t print it (one of several strips in that category), but hate-reading can be its own form of enjoyment. It twiddles the same snark nerves in my brain that, say, MANOS: THE HANDS OF FATE does.

  19. I was going to lay out what John K said- that Ann is a con artist and Tiffany knows it. My bet all along has been that she is trying to get her claws into Tiff’s Dad’s money. By cutting off Tiff, there is more money for her. Dad sees Ann as “on his side” and caring about him…. which is how cons artists get their hands on money of the unsuspecting older folks. 1. establish a relationship. 2. Show how much you care 3. Show others don’t care as much. 4. Become the person responsible for the money/ get wider access to it without question from the mark.

  20. “Ann is a con artist and Tiffany knows it. My bet all along has been that she is trying to get her claws into Tiff’s Dad’s money.”

    Con artist, or gold-digger?

  21. Andréa, girlfriend, not second wife — which makes her PHYSICALLY TAKING Tiffany’s credit card from her completely out of line.

  22. I agree completely. Again, Dad is abdicating his responsibility; if he marries this woman, he will have poisoned the stepmother/stepdaughter relationship, which is already fraught by its very nature.

  23. Singapore Bill – When Robert was getting his master’s degree in rehabilitation (as in getting handicapped people back to living their lives, working, etc.) one of the disagreements he had with his teacher was getting someone in a wheelchair a job doing roofing as a major physical and danger problem. The Diabetic baker, well, as long as he doesn’t taste his work…

  24. Who was pro and who was con in the wheel chair roofer case? And what were the arguments on either side? (I mean, it seems so obvious, there has to be some nuance to it…)

  25. larK – seemed obvious to husband also, but the teacher was insisting that the person had a right to work as a roofer as he had previously done, despite being in a wheelchair which would be problematic on the roof and that there would be a someone to help him so he would not have a problem.

    This is the more recent thought that the “otherly abled people” (as opposed to disabled as they were called when R was in college) get someone to help them at a job so they can do it. The person helping them is generally through an agency and I am forgetting the exact term. There is a major lack of sense in the newer ideas.

    When he was in college and first started working there were what were called sheltered workshops for those with “intellectual disabilities” such as one locally run by what was then called The Association for the help of Retarded Citizens. The idea was that the clients could work, they just did it slower and needed some help. They would do things (depending on the agency and its contracts) such as assembling things or packing things or making things. One agency he worked with had a contract with a restaurant for the clients to pack the utensil/condiment packages for to go orders at a restaurant. It would be calculated how long it took them to do it compared to how long it took “regular people” and the clients would be paid at piece rate based on same. So if it took “regular people” an hour to package 200 pieces, then minimum wage would be divided by 200 and they would be paid per piece by that amount. (I hope this makes sense). One of them might package 50 an hour, another 100 an hour and another 25 an hour. This was a exception from the minimum wage law for sheltered workshops. The clients were happy working as one is suppose to do when an adult and had socialization with the other clients and made a small amount of money. The companies giving the agency the jobs were not paying more per piece than if it was done by a regular company and was sort of a win/win for everyone. Then someone came along and said it was not right that the clients were being paid less for the job – by the hour – and are not making minimum wage and they made it illegal and the workshops shut down. The new idea is that person does the job and has someone else helping them do it – so 2 people get paid for the doing the same job.

    For most of his career he worked with children with emotional problems in a day program that was providing school education and counseling services combined so he was not involved with jobs for clients for most of the time he was working. However, working with both NYS dept of ed and NYS dept of mental health for the same program was what made him retire early.

  26. “Then someone came along and said it was not right that the clients were being paid less for the job – by the hour – and are not making minimum wage and they made it illegal and the workshops shut down. ”

    On the other coast, they paid the workers minimum wage (sometimes better) but were subsidized. The state minimum wage was higher than the federal, too.

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