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  1. I took this to be a new translation of the bible which is less male-dominated and shows that Eve did good things, too. Eve’s expression shows that she knows that Adam’s explanation is just a gloss and that he’s going to be given all the credit.

  2. Yeah, I think Arthur has it. it’s business mantasking. Man speaks up and takes all the credit for something that mostly the woman did. When taken to task says he doesn’t get the issue. The woman was just batting ideas about and goofing and floating them but it was *his* idea to *use* them. Or often “yes, she come up with the idea and she suggested they idea but *I* was the one who said relented and *allowed* them to do it… Isn’t that equally important”

    Not sure that “Newly Corrected Translation” works. Does it imply that revisionist history now always favors women (dang those SJWs!) or does it mean we have some magic technology to see what *really* happened (dang those mansplaining credit hogs!)?

  3. From Wayno’s Blog today: ‘A friend, who is a Doctor of Neuroscience, shared this comic on her Facebook page, prefaced with the following note:

    ‘For Sophia Tolstaya, Colette, Vera Nabokov, Dorothy Wordsworth, and so many other other “thank you to my dear wife and typist” who were actually editors and ghost writers.

    ‘The good doctor not only got the joke, but also provided a wonderfully thoughtful and appropriate context for it, for which I am grateful.’

  4. “Doesn’t work for me since Eve didn’t exist when Adam named the animals.”

    That depends on which verses of the bible you read. Some indicate that Adam and Eve were created as a pair, just like the other animals.

  5. Well, Genesis does have two versions of the creation. Here is the one in Chapter 1, verses 25-30:

    And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

  6. And here is from Chapter 2. Note the command regarding the tree is given before Eve is on the scene to make note of it! And also this one has the naming of the animals before the appearance of Eve, just as Powers pointed out.

    15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

    16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

    19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

    21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

    24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

  7. @Andrea, continued. After a while, they started telling stories about people who’d gotten all the way to the final oral exam stage and had to be flunked. By far the most common reason was that the wife had been the one who’d really done the work, or at least so much of it that hubby couldn’t defend it successfully.

    By the time I entered grad school long ago, my field had about an even split of PhD students between men and women, but the faculty was predominantly male, especially the older faculty.

    It was common in the 1950s and 1960s (before me) for the husband to get into grad school, they’d move into married student housing, and the wife would end up working in one of the research institutes — where you’d be likely to learn a lot more about practical data handling and analysis than he’d learn in a couple of required classes. So, you’ve invested some years of your joint life into getting this degree and then getting a nice faculty job (in those days, much easier to get), so the temptation to try to carry hubby over the line even if he couldn’t cut it would be huge.

  8. From Mark Twain’s “Diaries of Adam and Eve”. This is when Adam guessed Eve was merely an insistent animal who talked:

    “The new creature names everything that comes along, before I can get in a protest. And always that same pretext is offered — it LOOKS like the thing.”

    Eve, slightly quicker on grasping that Adam is a man, craves his company and regard. She deliberately takes over the job of naming because he obviously has no talent for it, and she assumes (incorrectly) he is grateful for her help.

    Among other things she names Niagara Falls and the dodo, and tries to replace the Garden of Eden — a name Adam was quite proud of — with Niagara Falls Park.

  9. Was Niagara Falls already such a preeminent Tourist Trap in Twain’s day? I’m guessing yes.

    (I was forced to go there this year by out of country guests; in a way, you can actually see signs of optimism in its essential tourist huckster nature, in that it seems so out-of-date and even old fashioned in the sheer exploitative nature of EVERYthing there — it gives you the feeling that this kind of over-the-top crass commercialism is going out of favor simply because you don’t encounter it everywhere anymore; tourists must be evolving and gaining in discernment.
    (Then again, guests keep forcing me to go to Times Square, so so much for that hypothesis…)

  10. Mitch4,

    “26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion”

    Holy smokes! I must have heard that line dozens of times, and never twigged to the word ‘them’ in it.

    Of course, the Catholic schools I went to were hardly likely to dwell on the inconsistencies in the Bible. I’ve come to wonder if the inconsistencies were what made the RCC stop using, for the most park, the Bible.

  11. Though of course there are different translations , which will treat some things differently — for a variety of reasons, including scholarly and doctrinal. I think this one from the web was King James, common property for English speakers who like a poetic touch.

    Sometime check out R. Crumb’s Book of Genesis Illustrated.

  12. Oscar Wilde, in 1883 (having seen the falls in 1882):
    “Niagara will survive any criticism of mine. I must say this, however, that it is the first disappointment in the married life of many Americans who spend their honeymoon there.”

    Mark Twain, in his short story, Niagara, written in 1871, published 1875:
    “Niagara Falls is a most enjoyable place of resort.” [The story is in public domain if you wish to read the entire thing.]

  13. My favorite hypothesis (almost certainly invalid) is that God who created man was a “child god” of a pantheon. He created Adam as a friend. He tells him not to eat from the tree partly so he wouldn’t die but also because if Adam ate from the tree, God’s older siblings and cousins would know he had been playing creator and tease God and ruin it for Him.

    At first God and Adam play and have fun but soon Adam starts getting sullen and mopey. God, being a child and a bit oblivious, figures he needs a companion so he creates all the animals, figure a pet is just the thing. But none of them makes him happy. God reluctantly then makes a creature exactly like Adam from his rib but worries he’ll spend too much time with her and not enough with his old friend God.

    Eventually God’s older sister the serpent comes down and sees these beings God’s been creating with out the other gods permission. And the serpent does what all older siblings do when they break in on their younger brother playing with Barbie and GI Joe does to torment their sibling; she makes them f##k. (Didn’t your older brother do that to your dolls just to torment you?) God gets in a snit and kicks every one out and insists “I never wanted any of you anyway”.

    The rest of the gods come by to see what the fuss is. Thinks people are funny and amusing and…. There Were Giants in those days….

    I can go on how one day as a teenager God comes back and says “Oh, yeah. I remember these toys! I used to love them when I was a kid” and appears as a burning bush to guy meandering in the desert and says “Yeah, you knew me then when I was different but know you shall know me as Elohim…” but… I’ve gone on on this story long enough.

  14. Woozy, if you haven’t already encountered them, I think you would enjoy some of those writers from the earlier parts of the twentieth century who were working in not really SF but a kind of supernatural or metaphysical fantasy. The most fun was probably Thorne Smith, author of Topper, Turnabout, maybe One Touch of Venus. Most astringent was probably David Lindsay (?) , with A Voyage to Arcturus.

    And most in sympathy with the approach you gave above, Jurgen by James Branch Cabell, and The Man who was Thursday by, yes, stodgy G K Chesterton, of the Father Brown mysteries. Jurgen I believe is the one with The Creator (of Earth only) seen as an apprentice or one among many.

  15. Sigh, this is probably a mug’s game, but I am posting to correct a mistake I made in a post which is not yet out of moderation. I was mistaken to attribute One Touch of Venus to Thorne Smith. The book of his I was thinking of was The Glorious Pool.

  16. Niagara Falls as a honeymoon destination was a thing when Charles Dickens visited it in 1842. He was shocked to find out that the guest books. of which many were proudly on display, were repositories of filthy dirty jokes.

  17. As I understand a lot of problems and confusions with the bible in it’s various versions come about from translation differences. I am not sure if it went from Aramaic to Greek to Hebrew to everything else or Greek to Aramaic to Hebrew… So there is a lot of room for errors – such as is it Thou shalt not kill or Thou shalt not murder – big difference. (This per the rabbi from “the God Squad”. )

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