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  1. He’s using an expression from the days of analog clocks, when the minute hand pointed straight up on the hour. It takes her a moment to assimilate it.

  2. Janis is the more forward-moving of the two when it comes to adapting changing technology. Arlo has fond memories of things like analog clocks and Janis had to think about it for a moment to get his reference as she long since thinks of time in digital by now.

  3. Winter is finally receding, though it’s still too cold for Janis this morning, hence the sweater she’s putting on. That’s why she has to think about it for a moment, but then agrees that this morning there is not the layer of frost over everything as there has been for the past months.

    Spring is coming!

  4. DNH and Bob have it. I didn’t really get it either, but the comments at GoComics pointed in that direction. I can’t say I’ve ever heard “straight up” in this context, but it might be a regionalism.

  5. Do people in real life still use clock-face numbers to indicate directions? They do on TV, especially “six” for “in back of you” ; and even with an extra step of abstraction, as with “I’ve got your six” for “I’ll support you (in this dispute or conflict)”.

  6. In the movie “Bolt” Rhino the hamster rolled behind Bolt and called out “I’m on your six!” Maybe it’s one of those action movie hero things.

  7. Blithely continuing on, he said “straight up” and not “neat” because there still was frost during the night, but it has gone now. In mid July he’d have said “7 o’clock neat”, whereas in the deep midwinter he would have said “7 o’clock on the rocks”.

  8. @ larK – I think you may have been drinking a little too much of whatever you’ve been assuming was in Arlo’s glass.

  9. Cheers, Kilby!
    From this thesis, it is then easy to prove that the Rock ‘n’ Roll movement of the 50s was merely a misunderstanding arising from a very cold winter, in which Bill Haley and his Comets noted that all times around the clock were “on the rocks” as it were.

  10. Android used to open with a beautiful analog clock. Now there are no analog clocks anywhere in the system.
    (Rare kudos to apple for using an analog clock icon that shows the current time, with a second hand to boot.)

    My high school (’70-’74) had synchronized analog clocks in every class room; if I was lucky enough to be there after a power failure or Daylight Saving Time change, I’d marvel at the clock(s) fast-forwarding to the correct time. At my recent reunion we toured the fancy new high school built around 8-10 years ago and all the clocks were digital.

    Since kids and teens literally (I’ve seen them) don’t know how to tell time on an analog clock anymore, I’m surprised our government hasn’t stepped in to assure we have a secure and competent military that has a visceral knowledge of the hour hand directions.
    New humans are missing out on the visceral feeling of now-to-then. Do they even experience time going forward?

    I did think my first digital watches were really cool.

  11. Yeah, I’m with beckoningchasm. Even as the guy who will really try to force an explanation, I got nothing on this. I’ve never heard this “straight up” thing having anything to do with clocks, analogue or otherwise.

    That said, not teaching people to read analogue clocks is dumb. Even if the display is simulated on a screen, an analogue clock has advantages. Once you learn it, it’s very easy to tell time at a glance. No need to read it. There is also an easily grasped relationship between how far the hands have to travel and how much time you have. If I’m rushing to make the bus on schedule, for example, I find it quicker and easier to understand if I can see how much arc on the clock face I have to go. Looking at a digital clock and then calculating how many minutes I have and then thinking if that is enough, just not as intuitive.

    Another advantage to analogue, at least when using a real clock, is low-light legibility. We recently replaced a very servicable analogue clock because it had a very loud, pronounced tick. When my friend came over to watch Jean-Pierre Melville’s Army of Shadows, the tick had a terribly negative effect. The film has scenes that are essentially silent and the silence is a part of creating the tension and mood. I had to pull the battery out of the clock. I have replaced it was a decent digital clock. However, due to it’s location, I normally view it from an oblique angle (about 130 degree). In anything be very good light, it’s hard to make out the LCD display. The analogue could be read in much lower light.

    As for clock face used as a positional marker, sure, that is certainly used in the real world. It allows much more precise positioning that “right” or “left”. If all parties have a consistent point of reference, it also eliminates confusion of the “your left or my left?” type. For example, the crew of a B-24 Liberator bomber all knew that 12 o’clock represented the nose of the aircraft. So if someone reported an enemy fighter plane approaching at “3 o’clock”, they all knew it was coming in from the left (in relation to the nose of the plan) side, straight in from the middle. The additional qualifiers of “high” and “low” were used to indicated if the object was at a higher or lower altitude than the Liberator was flying at. I imagine the military now has to spend time drilling clock-face into the minds of recruits.

    On a related note, while I much prefer the 24-hour format for telling time. I have seen analogue clocks that actually have all 24 hours individually marked on the face. Six o’clock looks like 3 o’clock looks like on a regular analogue model. I think the learning curve on that is too much for me.

  12. I say it all the time. I had no idea it would be a head scratcher. Background is Nola area, Bay Area, and the AF.

  13. I figured it was a regionalism — but then why wouldn’t Janus recognize it?

    The school clock thing always puzzled me: supposedly they’re all digital now because kids no linger know how to read analog clocks. But you know why they can’t read digital clocks? Because they’re no longer exposed to them for hours every day for 13 years.

  14. I’m a geezer and I’ve never heard “straight up”. Just “sharp”, “on the dot”, and in old cartoons and such, “When you hear the tone …”

    I still have a reliable Timex, which I very occasionally wear instead of the Fitbit. Do the kids still say “half past” and/or “quarter past”? I suppose those terms would make sense to a digital sensibility, but for me they’re tied to the visual of an hour hand marking a half or quarter of a clock face.

  15. I’ve heard “straight up”, but I think only for 12:00 and 6:00, when both hands are vertical. I’d have been more confused than Janis was while trying to figure out how 7:00 can be straight up.

    Oh, and the joke, such as it is is: This is a common term they both used to use. Technology has made it so obsolescent that Janis doesn’t recognize it at first. Modern times, right?

  16. Mitch, I wonder whether some people understand what “I have your six” means without knowing its “obscure” origin.

    Are new drivers still told to keep heir hands at “10 and 2”?

  17. Pilots and air traffic control definitely still use clockface directions. You hear things like “United 224, traffic 11 o’clock, seven miles” all the time.

  18. ‘I’ve got your six’ became ubiquitous in movies and TV shows made since 9/11, since it had been commonly used by military and law-enforcement even before that.
    I figured out ‘straight up’ from context.
    The one time an expression in the strip confused me, was when one of them was talking about what the weather that day ‘might could’ be.

  19. Indeed, I first encountered the clock-face directions from aviation contexts, probably specifically “Twelve O’Clock High”. I don’t know if I saw the 1949 movie on later TV showings, or just the 1964 TV series.

  20. I recalled hearing on Car Talk a while back that 10 and 2 was no longer the recommendation. I didn’t find their program archive for that but here is a public posting discussion from their blog.: https://community.cartalk.com/t/hand-position-on-steering-wheel/34075/6

    In any case, all thru this discussion, whatever the position being urged, the clock numbers are the way it is described, by everyone. But there’s a good chance the participants are all part of geezerdom, so it doesn’t really test whether people from the digital-clock generations will be phased fazed by this.

  21. @CIDU Bill: “I figured it was a regionalism — but then why wouldn’t Janus recognize it?’

    Because Janus was two-faced and thus gets confused about directions, even if he is a (minor) godling?

    Oh, wait, you meant “Janis.” Never mind.

    ***************
    (I’m an analog geezer at heart, but don’t think I’ve ever heard “straight up” in this context and for a moment thought this was an Arlo Moment somehow referring to Arlo’s, ah, physical reaction to watching Janis get dressed. But then sanity prevailed. Gee, sanity can be boring sometimes.)

  22. @CIDU Bill: “Are new drivers still told to keep heir hands at ’10 and 2′?”

    No, hands in those positions are at risk for injury from deploying air bags. Since new cars have air bags, the standard has been lowered to “9 and 3” or I’ve also heard a “thumb hooks” rule where one places their hands at the position that results from hooking their thumbs over the points where the wheel is connected to the stuff inside of it.

  23. Bob, if 10/2 is a safer way to drive — and I’ve heard nothing to suggest otherwise — isn’t that more important than what position will be safest for you if an airbag deploys? Isn’t the priority to AVOID accidents in the first place?

  24. This is what I told my son when he was learning to drive: 10 and 2 is the traditional position, but hold the steering wheel whichever way you feel the most comfortable and makes you feel most in control of the car.

  25. I don’t now about anybody else — or even any other geezers — but I’ll often say to my wife “You see that billboard at 2 o’clock?”

    So much more practical than pointing.

    I should ask my nephew about this when I see him this weekend.

  26. I had heard about the 9/3 shift, but I’ve been driving now for 45 years and I’m not going to try to change.

  27. I used to live in an apartment fairly near the airport when the Air National Guard still had a (group? division?) in St. Louis. I would frequently see and HEAR F4s when they were doing exercises.

  28. We still have mostly analog clocks in the house. Other than those on cable boxes the only clocks which are not analog are the ones in the bedroom – and his is not even always adjusted for daylight savings changes as I set my clock for us to wake up.

    I did change it to a 24 hour clock some years ago. It stopped me from staying up all night when I absolutely had to wake up on time constantly checking to make sure that I had set it for am and not pm. We get up at 13:00 most days lately after going to sleep at 5:00.

  29. @Brian: I went to university at UC San Diego. That’s very close to the Miramar Naval Air Station, which at the time was the location of the Top Gun school (this was before the movie, even). Every so often one of the flyboys would think it was funny to buzz the university. I will never forget the time in my freshman year when one of them came in low and hit the afterburners. An entire crowded cafeteria went dead silent for about 2 second as we waited for the end of the world.

  30. @Kevin A, I have an Android phone with the latest version, updated directly from Google one a month (Android One). It has a prominent analog clock widget right on the home screen. You may be using a version modified by a phone vendor.

  31. @ DemetriosX – I’m not sure whether your freshman year was before or after my time there, but the situation at Miramar changed after an incident in the mid-80s. At the beginning of an airshow (which I was lucky enough to attend), the opener was supposed to be a very low overflight by an F15. Unfortunately, the pilot erred, and came in just over Mach 1, unstead of just under, as was planned. Not only was the sonic “boom” incredibly impressive, it totally shredded the small glass booth that had been set up for the announcer on the tarmac (as I recall, he was in it when it happened, but was not injured, at least not seriously). However, that was not the end of it.
    The next day, the news was full of reports about the damage (mostly broken windows) that had happened all over La Jolla and North San Diego. Word went out that the Navy would pay for everything (I have no idea whether they actually did), and the station’s commander quickly issued an order that all aircraft taking off from Miramar were required to keep their wings locked in “swept forward” position until they were safely over the ocean. This was meant to ensure that they could not go supersonic over land.

  32. @Kilby: My time was probably before yours (80-85). We had that incident in 1980 and a guy who barely kept his plane from going down in a residential area a couple of years later. Both of those led to new restrictions.

    And we didn’t get a sonic boom. It was entirely just the roar of the afterburners.

  33. @Meryl on digital clock features – – I was looking at reviews of small clock/radio units, and was pleased when one reviewer praised a model for having both AM and PM indicators, so there is always one label activated. It is indeed a bother to have only one or the other and not know what it means when it is off.

  34. I have the misfortune to live right under the flight path of a smaller airport that handles mostly business jets. Every now and then for whatever reason, fighter jets will land at the airport, and BOY! are those things loud! And I’m assuming they are trying to be as quiet as they possibly can, too.

  35. We used to live directly under a flightpath to Newark Airport — which was even worse than it sounds. Fortunately, it was a flightpath used only on foggy days.

  36. Back in 1966, an astronaut training flight in St. Louis had trouble in bad weather and missed the landing at Lambert. The plane struck on of the McDonnell buildings. It was before I lived there, but got to see where the repaired damage to the building was.

  37. Bill: I’ve noticed that on foggy days, sound carries much better from the airport — so I’m not sure if it was “fortunate” they only flew over you on foggy days…

  38. My friend in 286 days had a time program on his computer which would say “it’s almost quarter to two” or some such. Back to point, I remember an Arno cartoon of an old distinguished gentleman obviously ill being helped from the nightclub by two tuxedo clad waiters. Caption was “The couple next to him ordered 7&7’s.” Straight up would of course be without ice.

  39. I don’t understand zookeeper’s Arno cartoon, but it does remind me of the joke about the guy from whatever group you consider to be especially stupid ordering a 15. The bartender said “What’s a 15?” “Seven and seven of course!”

  40. And 740 is “the Number of the Beast, before the Beast’s agent takes out his ten percent commission.”

  41. larK, better than flying over our house EVERY day.

    I should add we were within walking distance of the airport. Not a QUICK walking distance, but walking distance all the same.

  42. I thought it might have something to do with her hair, since she’s just put on a pullover top, and is now brushing her hair.

  43. Mitch4 – problem is that even if I see the pm light on the time – I still was getting out of bed to check that I had not mistake with the alarm. Now I know that if I set it for 11 – it is 11 am and if I set it for 13 – it is 1 pm.

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